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Quest http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl-bk-duzant021906,0,2246827.story?coll=sfla-news-florida

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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl-bk-duzant021906,0,2246827.story?coll=sfla-news-florida



OK folks...I have a question for everyone here. If you saw your neighbor killing his family...what you you do? This could be an interesting thread!

Ron Kosakowski
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KajuJKDFighter I would grab whatever weapon was at hand at go after the nut. Neutralize the sword as quickly as possible. Of course the 357, 40, Mossberg or Benelli could come in handy, but there may not be time to get them out without everyone being killed first. I hate the idea of someone doing something like this and no one helping.. Whatever you did to this guy he for sure had it coming though....

When your not training, someone else is training to kick your ass...

psdtc
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I would grab whatever weapon was at hand at go after the nut. Neutralize the sword as quickly as possible. Of course the 357, 40, Mossberg or Benelli could come in handy, but there may not be time to get them out without everyone being killed first. I hate the idea of someone doing something like this and no one helping.. Whatever you did to this guy he for sure had it coming though....

When your not training, someone else is training to kick your ass...


John...welcome to the forum. Good to see you on here. Folks, this is my friend and fellow Hartsell fighter John Bono from warm sunny CA!

As for the neighbor killings...I would definately have to do something. I agree, whatever is closest to me would be used. Picking him off from a long range lead projectile would certainly be justified I would say!

Ron Kosakowski
Practical Self Defense Training Center
847 Hamilton Ave. (RT 69)
Waterbury, CT 06706
203-596-9073
info@psdtc.com
http://www.psdtc.com
http://www.traditionalfilipinoweapons.com

Johnny Bombs hmmmmmmmm if i like my neibhber i would go bakc inside, and figure he is having a bad day

if i dont like him i would crush his head like a grape

badaxe While the neighbors looked on?
How can you NOT do something -
I would have to go with the "Pick up whatever is handy" option-
Obviously, a gun would save time in closing the gap.
PK

memnoch Shoot him into the ground if I had a gun, and considering that I have one on me unless I'm in a courthouse or the shower...Yeah, I shoot him.

If this is a hypothetical in which I didn't have a gun...find something long and hard, then proceed to beat him into stupidity with it.

Quest
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While the neighbors looked on?
How can you NOT do something -


Its actually a growing issue in America. There have been lots of news stories on this issue. Where people are interviewed after the event and asked why they didnt respond. Most say that they new it was the right thing to do and that they wanted to, but they were afraid of getting involved or of the confrontation etc.

But, it goes further than this. One news video showed people sitting in a doctors office and actors in the other room pretend she is being raped or hit by someone in that room.

In most cases the video shows the people being concerned about what they are hearing. But, as they look around and see nobody else taking action, they themselves dont take action. Only one of the guys actually got up and tried to enter the doctors office to help.

Its a social norm thing going on. Look at how many people stop to help another person who gets a flat tire or whose car breaks down. Or stops to give a hitchhiker a ride.

The world is changing fast and people are becoming too self-reliant and self-centered and it just gets to a story like this where a guy is trying to kill his young son and everyone just stands there in fright and watches instead of helping.

psdtc
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While the neighbors looked on?
How can you NOT do something -


Its actually a growing issue in America. There have been lots of news stories on this issue. Where people are interviewed after the event and asked why they didnt respond. Most say that they new it was the right thing to do and that they wanted to, but they were afraid of getting involved or of the confrontation etc.

But, it goes further than this. One news video showed people sitting in a doctors office and actors in the other room pretend she is being raped or hit by someone in that room.

In most cases the video shows the people being concerned about what they are hearing. But, as they look around and see nobody else taking action, they themselves dont take action. Only one of the guys actually got up and tried to enter the doctors office to help.

Its a social norm thing going on. Look at how many people stop to help another person who gets a flat tire or whose car breaks down. Or stops to give a hitchhiker a ride.

The world is changing fast and people are becoming too self-reliant and self-centered and it just gets to a story like this where a guy is trying to kill his young son and everyone just stands there in fright and watches instead of helping.



The media makes people like that. There is so much dam craziness in the news all over the world lately. I live in the woods now and man, I make sure NO ONE can get in this house and you would be surprised what I did to prevent people from getting in when I am home and when I am not. Paranoid? Is that what I am?

Ron Kosakowski
Practical Self Defense Training Center
847 Hamilton Ave. (RT 69)
Waterbury, CT 06706
203-596-9073
info@psdtc.com
http://www.psdtc.com
http://www.traditionalfilipinoweapons.com

Johnny Bombs well the other thing is go help someone and then you get sued

how many times a guy beats up a girlfriend you step in to stop him and the bitch is now jumping on your back clawing at your eyes , the police come and arrest you because they both say you attacked them


like i said beofre if i like the guy i go back inside , if i dont like the prick iam going to use this for an excuse to cut his head off

David VanDenAmeele THIS JUST ANOTHER REASON TO CARRY AND PRACTICE WITH A FIREARM. yES IT SEEMS ALOT OF THIS IS HAPPENING BUT i WONDER IF ITS MEDIA ATTENTION OR THE INTERNET EXPOSURE WE ARE SEEING HERE.i AM SURE STUFF LIKE THIS INCIDENT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING FOREVER.

D Van

badaxe Johnny's got a point on the "Lawsuit" issue-
Too bad more lawyers weren't like Memnoch...
What this country needs is more common sense, not
just greed fueled by stupidity.
PK

Quest
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Johnny's got a point on the "Lawsuit" issue-



True, but i think the bigger issue that is being noted in society is not "Good Samaritan Actions" (which are recognized under courts and some protection rights are granted, like when giving a person CPR and breaking their sternum in the process would be protected from lawsuit).

The bigger issue is that we as a society have moved forward toward anti-social behavior.

50 years ago, nearly every home had a porch and it was common for people to sit on their porch and talk with neighbors who walked by. 50 years ago there were town dances, people went to church, people knew just about everyone in their neighborhood and in smaller towns they knew everyone in their town. It was acceptable to ask to borrow sugar or milk or eggs or whatever from neighbors.

Today, not many new homes have porches and some that do have porches really are more like stairs and not a porch. People rarely know their neighbors, they dont participate in community politics or events, they dont walk anywhere and instead stay in their car which is just a bubble that seperates them from society. Kids today even spend most of their time listneing to IPODs as they walk in stores, which presents further anti-social behavior and makes starting a conversation harder or intrusive.

To observe this trend, just visit your local fitness gym and people watch. You will see people who wear headphones rarely talk to anyone. You will see people in general arent talking to anyone. Not because they are focused on their training, but because we are losing our people skills.

Just look at this forum. People these days are more used to emails, IM's and Forum Postings then they are at talking on the phone or in person. Companies have been implemented internal IM's because people like IM'ng instead of calling someone.

Society is drastically changing!

Well unless you move to Tennessee, which is now the hottest growing economy due to people wanting to return to grassroots, the old days. They want a slower pace in life, they want a large house with lots of property and friendly people.

badaxe I am fortunate to live in a neighborhood where we DO interact and watch
each other's place - in Waterbury! I moved from a smaller town where I owned
a home or 2, and the neighbors were OK, but not what I grew up with in the '60's as a kid.
It's too bad it's gone this way - I reckon Tennesee would be nice, from what I've seen of it.

psdtc
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Johnny's got a point on the "Lawsuit" issue-



True, but i think the bigger issue that is being noted in society is not "Good Samaritan Actions" (which are recognized under courts and some protection rights are granted, like when giving a person CPR and breaking their sternum in the process would be protected from lawsuit).

The bigger issue is that we as a society have moved forward toward anti-social behavior.

50 years ago, nearly every home had a porch and it was common for people to sit on their porch and talk with neighbors who walked by. 50 years ago there were town dances, people went to church, people knew just about everyone in their neighborhood and in smaller towns they knew everyone in their town. It was acceptable to ask to borrow sugar or milk or eggs or whatever from neighbors.

Today, not many new homes have porches and some that do have porches really are more like stairs and not a porch. People rarely know their neighbors, they dont participate in community politics or events, they dont walk anywhere and instead stay in their car which is just a bubble that seperates them from society. Kids today even spend most of their time listneing to IPODs as they walk in stores, which presents further anti-social behavior and makes starting a conversation harder or intrusive.

To observe this trend, just visit your local fitness gym and people watch. You will see people who wear headphones rarely talk to anyone. You will see people in general arent talking to anyone. Not because they are focused on their training, but because we are losing our people skills.

Just look at this forum. People these days are more used to emails, IM's and Forum Postings then they are at talking on the phone or in person. Companies have been implemented internal IM's because people like IM'ng instead of calling someone.

Society is drastically changing!

Well unless you move to Tennessee, which is now the hottest growing economy due to people wanting to return to grassroots, the old days. They want a slower pace in life, they want a large house with lots of property and friendly people.



People do have the tendancy to mind their own business today. I thought 911 would change that but it is still a self centered society. At least their are a few of us left that will help out our neighbors.

Ron Kosakowski
Practical Self Defense Training Center
847 Hamilton Ave. (RT 69)
Waterbury, CT 06706
203-596-9073
info@psdtc.com
http://www.psdtc.com
http://www.traditionalfilipinoweapons.com

Hattori Hanzo It's almost as if being anti-social is not only rewarding, but the norm these days. Though i'm not old enough to start saying "back in the day..." in reference to tens of years ago; I do remember the way things used to be when I was a kid.

When Saturday mornings meant cartoons, and everyone would beg their parents to let friends sleep over on Friday so we could all stay up late and wake up early in the morning to watch those cartoons... In other words, when waking up in the morning was actually cool...

Or how about bingo nights, when everybody from the school area would gather for family-oriented bingo games, and everyone would get to know each other.

Not to mention how nice people used to be, on days like Halloween where every house on the block except for one or two would have their candy ready, and their game faces on for when the kids trick or treated.

Now... instead of being frowned upon, being anti-social is actually being rewarded. It's almost like that damn "negative attention" my mother always used to talk about. People see how being alone, and by themselves can benefit them, and they become self-centered. After a long enough period of being so anti-social, it catches on to other people. I mean, I remember seeing some weird kids growing up, that maybe had a funky hair style, and were classified in that whole "Rocker/Punk" group... But now we have everything from Goths to Emo's who want nothing more than to hate the world, be anti-social, and to be depressed. And of course, most of the time, their projected depression makes other people depressed.

What do these people get out of it? The satisfaction of attention. By "hating the world," and wrapping up in a ball on a train or bus, as opposed to being the friendly person who makes room for other people, they're getting negative attention from people. And what's worse, is that negative attention is easier to get than regular attention... So after a while, when people only see things as a win-for-themselves situation, they're going to take them. In essence, society is projecting the anti-social behavior as one that's not only more rewarding, but more pleasing than one of being a good samaritan.

It's no wonder why people are so afraid to do things out of fear of being sued. Why should it even matter? If you're to tell me that possibly saving somebody's life isn't worth the price you pay of being sued (if it even came to that) then it's just proving the progessive downward plunge society is falling into.

There's no certainty - only opportunity.

Jenniferay896
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Its actually a growing issue in America. There have been lots of news stories on this issue. Where people are interviewed after the event and asked why they didnt respond. Most say that they new it was the right thing to do and that they wanted to, but they were afraid of getting involved or of the confrontation etc.

But, it goes further than this. One news video showed people sitting in a doctors office and actors in the other room pretend she is being raped or hit by someone in that room.

In most cases the video shows the people being concerned about what they are hearing. But, as they look around and see nobody else taking action, they themselves dont take action. Only one of the guys actually got up and tried to enter the doctors office to help.



This is actually a well studied area in psychology, its called "bystander effect" and more recently "diffusion of responsibility." There is a well known case from 1964 referred to as the Kitty Genovese incident. A young woman was attacked and killed in an area of her apartment complex. Many people watched her get killed and NO ONE called the police until it was too late. In the bystander effect, as the number of people who witness a traumatic event increases, the likelihood that someone will call for help decreases (makes you rethink the whole safety in numbers doesn't it?) That's because it is assumed someone else will help out (the diffusion of responsibility) not necessarily due to callousness. This is more complex than I am making it out to be obviously since there are other factors involved such as whether bystanders are strangers or not.
And yes, nowadays you need to be wary, unfortunately you do hear of someone helping out and getting hurt, killed, or taken advantage of, it has made me think twice about helping people (depends on the circumstance).

psdtc
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Its actually a growing issue in America. There have been lots of news stories on this issue. Where people are interviewed after the event and asked why they didnt respond. Most say that they new it was the right thing to do and that they wanted to, but they were afraid of getting involved or of the confrontation etc.

But, it goes further than this. One news video showed people sitting in a doctors office and actors in the other room pretend she is being raped or hit by someone in that room.

In most cases the video shows the people being concerned about what they are hearing. But, as they look around and see nobody else taking action, they themselves dont take action. Only one of the guys actually got up and tried to enter the doctors office to help.



This is actually a well studied area in psychology, its called "bystander effect" and more recently "diffusion of responsibility." There is a well known case from 1964 referred to as the Kitty Genovese incident. A young woman was attacked and killed in an area of her apartment complex. Many people watched her get killed and NO ONE called the police until it was too late. In the bystander effect, as the number of people who witness a traumatic event increases, the likelihood that someone will call for help decreases (makes you rethink the whole safety in numbers doesn't it?) That's because it is assumed someone else will help out (the diffusion of responsibility) not necessarily due to callousness. This is more complex than I am making it out to be obviously since there are other factors involved such as whether bystanders are strangers or not.
And yes, nowadays you need to be wary, unfortunately you do hear of someone helping out and getting hurt, killed, or taken advantage of, it has made me think twice about helping people (depends on the circumstance).



Hmmm..that makes me think a little here. Can it be because we are martial artists and have and like to fight that we are all willing to help? The average person is not a fighter or a martial artist. We are all more or less, scenario training and preparing for this stuff. The average person does not. Am I onto something here?

Ron Kosakowski
Practical Self Defense Training Center
847 Hamilton Ave. (RT 69)
Waterbury, CT 06706
203-596-9073
info@psdtc.com
http://www.psdtc.com
http://www.traditionalfilipinoweapons.com

ghosthand I dont know much about psycology and I've never been in a situation like that. But my first thought would be to kill him.

J cudworth

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