http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/pat-condell-on-ground-zero-mosque-is-it-possible-to-be-astonished-but-not-surprised.html

And here are 2 article regarding this proposal, guess which on is the liberals opinion:

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2010/07/21/general-us-ground-zero-mosque-politics_7787138.html?boxes=Homepagebusinessnews

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-37739-NY-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m7d13-NYC-Mayor-Bloomberg-against-investigation-into-Cordoba-mosque-near-Ground-Zero

This is an atrocity and should be opposed by every american.

To oppose a church because it's a mosque smells strongly of equating "Muslim" with "terrorist."

We have friends of the family who lost a niece in (I think) the South Tower that day. The friends are Muslims, as was the niece.

JMJ

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To have a government entity tell people what kind of church they may or may not build on property they own smells strongly of a violation of the Establishment Clause.

To oppose a church because it's a mosque smells strongly of equating "Muslim" with "terrorist."

We have friends of the family who lost a niece in (I think) the South Tower that day. The friends are Muslims, as was the niece.

JMJ

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For chrissakes, Ron - if those 19 were Christian Scientists, would that mean nobody could build a reading room in lower Manhattan? If they were from the IRA, would that mean nobody could, um, build a bar?

JMJ

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Ron Kosakowski
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No, and I won't - and that's why I have no problem with some people building a mosque in lower Manhattan.

JMJ

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Ron Kosakowski
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I, for one, don't want a billion and a quarter people gunning for me, no. That's what we'll have if we turn this into "The West v Islam."

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Given the history of US "foreign policy" in predominantly Islamic parts of the world, the radicalized elements there are looking for any excuse to claim the US isn't interested in quelling terrorism, but is attacking Islam, as such. For the "land of the free" not to allow construction of a mosque in the melting-pot-est of all American cities plays right into this argument.

I, for one, don't want a billion and a quarter people gunning for me, no. That's what we'll have if we turn this into "The West v Islam."

JMJ

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Ron Kosakowski
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[b]Look at all other conquored areas in history. Building there is just history repeating itself. Bet all the victoms families are all into seeing this be built there as well. Right?

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Look at all other conquored areas in history. Building there is just history repeating itself. Bet all the victoms families are all into seeing this be built there as well. Right?

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I dunno. Why don't we ask the families of these people:
Samad Afridi
Ashraf Ahmad
Shabbir Ahmad (45 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and 3 children)
Umar Ahmad
Azam Ahsan
Ahmed Ali
Tariq Amanullah (40 years old; Fiduciary Trust Co.; ICNA website team member; leaves wife and 2 children)
Touri Bolourchi (69 years old; United Airlines #175; a retired nurse from Tehran)
Salauddin Ahmad Chaudhury
Abdul K. Chowdhury (30 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Mohammad S. Chowdhury (39 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and child born 2 days after the attack)
Jamal Legesse Desantis
Ramzi Attallah Douani (35 years old; Marsh & McLennan)
SaleemUllah Farooqi
Syed Fatha (54 years old; Pitney Bowes)
Osman Gani
Mohammad Hamdani (50 years old)
Salman Hamdani (NYPD Cadet)
Aisha Harris (21 years old; General Telecom)
Shakila Hoque (Marsh & McLennan)
Nabid Hossain
Shahzad Hussain
Talat Hussain
Mohammad Shah Jahan (Marsh & McLennan)
Yasmeen Jamal
Mohammed Jawarta (MAS security)
Arslan Khan Khakwani
Asim Khan
Ataullah Khan
Ayub Khan
Qasim Ali Khan
Sarah Khan (32 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Taimour Khan (29 years old; Karr Futures)
Yasmeen Khan
Zahida Khan
Badruddin Lakhani
Omar Malick
Nurul Hoque Miah (36 years old)
Mubarak Mohammad (23 years old)
Boyie Mohammed (Carr Futures)
Raza Mujtaba
Omar Namoos
Mujeb Qazi
Tarranum Rahim
Ehtesham U. Raja (28 years old)
Ameenia Rasool (33 years old)
Naveed Rehman
Yusuf Saad
Rahma Salie & unborn child (28 years old; American Airlines #11; wife of Michael Theodoridis; 7 months pregnant)
Shoman Samad
Asad Samir
Khalid Shahid (25 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald; engaged to be married in November)
Mohammed Shajahan (44 years old; Marsh & McLennan)
Naseema Simjee (Franklin Resources Inc.'s Fiduciary Trust)
Jamil Swaati
Sanober Syed
Robert Elias Talhami (40 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Michael Theodoridis (32 years old; American Airlines #11; husband of Rahma Salie)
W. Wahid

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Then the extremists are right, and the terrorists win: the US is at war with Islam. The United States of America - which happens to be bankrupt in all but name, by the by - will have to contend with a war, sometimes cold, sometimes hot - very hot - with a billion and a quarter people stretching across a rather impressive swath of real estate. This is not exactly a recipe for "foreign policy" success.

JMJ

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Ok, why do I feel like you did not read anything I said here?

Ron Kosakowski
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Aeshetic issues aside, if building a Catholic cathedral, or a Baptist chapel, or a Buddist temple, or an Orthodox synagogue on that spot would be fine, but a mosque would not, then, given the diffeence between those proposed uses of the property boils down to the religious faith of the users in question, this is no different from saying the objection is with Islam. That all the b******t emanating from Wasington that the Global War On Terrorism ("GWOT") is NOT a war against Islam, but, rather, against violence and extremeism, is exactly that: B******T.

I can perceive this rather clearly. And I'm not a Muslim (and I tend to be rather dense when it comes to recognizing insults). I suspect they would be much more sensitive. Presently there are US troops in active war zones in (officially) two predominately Islamic countries. Despite the official US "party line" being these are not wars of conquest and occupation but, rather, liberation, the locals aren't so likely to see it that way. Anything that further tips popular opinion towards the extremists is NOT in the best interests of the US (or especially those troops in harm's way). And if the perceived message is "We're at war with Islam" then this translates in the minds of those in all the other Islamic countries to "You're next!" Thus it becomes quite literally a world war... and did I happen to mention the United States of America is, um, BANKRUPT? BROKE? IN HOCK UP TO EYEBALLS (to the friggin' CHINESE no less)? Oh, yeah, and, unlike with past world wars, without a significant manufacturing base, having outsourced everything overseas (especially to those aforementioned Asians)?

When "perfect storm" conditions exist, a major Big, Bad and Ugly can be started by the stupidist crap - like this mosque mess. The US can ill afford a BB&U, especially at the moment.

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Funny, I had the same feeling about you regarding my writing.

Aeshetic issues aside, if building a Catholic cathedral, or a Baptist chapel, or a Buddist temple, or an Orthodox synagogue on that spot would be fine, but a mosque would not, then, given the diffeence between those proposed uses of the property boils down to the religious faith of the users in question, this is no different from saying the objection is with Islam. That all the b******t emanating from Wasington that the Global War On Terrorism ("GWOT") is NOT a war against Islam, but, rather, against violence and extremeism, is exactly that: B******T.

I can perceive this rather clearly. And I'm not a Muslim (and I tend to be rather dense when it comes to recognizing insults). I suspect they would be much more sensitive. Presently there are US troops in active war zones in (officially) two predominately Islamic countries. Despite the official US "party line" being these are not wars of conquest and occupation but, rather, liberation, the locals aren't so likely to see it that way. Anything that further tips popular opinion towards the extremists is NOT in the best interests of the US (or especially those troops in harm's way). And if the perceived message is "We're at war with Islam" then this translates in the minds of those in all the other Islamic countries to "You're next!" Thus it becomes quite literally a world war... and did I happen to mention the United States of America is, um, BANKRUPT? BROKE? IN HOCK UP TO EYEBALLS (to the friggin' CHINESE no less)? Oh, yeah, and, unlike with past world wars, without a significant manufacturing base, having outsourced everything overseas (especially to those aforementioned Asians)?

When "perfect storm" conditions exist, a major Big, Bad and Ugly can be started by the stupidist crap - like this mosque mess. The US can ill afford a BB&U, especially at the moment.

JMJ

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John M. Joy, Chief Technical Officer jmj@savagejoy.com
Savage Joy Corporation

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Ron Kosakowski
Practical Self Defense Training Center
847 Hamilton Ave. (RT 69)
Waterbury, CT 06706
203-596-9073
info@psdtc.com
http://www.psdtc.com
http://www.traditionalfilipinoweapons.com

Waterbury has a mosque. Has Waterbury been conquered?

JMJ

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